Show Notes for Episode 3

Episode 3 - Transcript

Smut and Pornography


Welcome back. Friends to Rocky Talkie. It's a podcast where we're gonna talk about everything and everything that has to do with Rocky Horror that is going on here abroad in the community and elsewhere. My name's John and I'm Nick. How are we doing today? Folks? I have a infection. I'm fine, but I sound like this now forever. How are you, Aaron? Oh, I'm ok. It's been a busy week. Lots of work, lots of pornography. But we'll get there. How about you, John? Do you watch, watch any good adult movies? No. Uh, I don't really have time to watch adult movies anymore. I, I work 11 to 7. I stream on Twitch every night at 7 30. Shameless plug. And then I record this every Sunday. So, uh, my porn watching time has diminished greatly, but I will tell you that I'm getting better in Overwatch. I'll tell you that. Well, at least, uh, at least you're focusing on the things that matter. Yeah, exactly. And speaking of things that matter, let's talk about some Rocky news first. We're gonna start off today with our global news. As always, Barry Bowe had done an interview this past week to promote the, I wish I was making this up the 45th anniversary of Rocky Harry. You hear that Aaron you're getting old. Yeah, he was talking about his drive in tour that he was been on throughout the entire Halloween 2020 season. He gave a quick little rundown of the origins of Rocky Horror, shadow casting and how it's kind of grown to be what it is today. He absolutely like gushes over the shadow casting community. He is always super nice and willing to work with us. He describes shadow casting as like a major cultural phenomenon. Yeah, I was really impressed. He, he knew a lot about the history of shadow casting. He gives the same kind of rundown that we did in our first episode. He condenses it a lot obviously for, you know, the mainstream audience, but he touched on a lot of the same points and it's clear that he has done his research. Yeah, he also discussed how shadow casting is becoming very difficult in the time of COVID. And I feel like we all have felt that we've all felt the effects of COVID on shadow casting in the community. Casts are losing their theaters, screenings and shadow cast numbers are shrinking because it's getting more expensive to screen the movie since the Disney buyout. But he says that he feels in spite of the difficulties, the number of Rocky Horror fans is still growing because people still find it easy to connect to the message of the movie wholesome content. I mean, you gotta remember this guy's probably seen the movie more than any of us this year. Right? I mean, he's traveling around seeing it all over the place. Yeah, valid. So in the interview, he describes the tour, he talks about how excited everyone is to be there, how the audience is able to turn a drive-in movie into a really cool party atmosphere, even from the comfort of their own cars, real cute, wholesome stuff. Yeah, I was fortunate enough to catch one of the drive-in shows that Barry did. Uh, Nicky, you guys did a Barry show with F and S and uh it was in a mall parking lot. The one that I was able to go to, to of cars, lots of people showed up, there was a great tech setup. They were able to film Barry live and project it up on the screen, you know, as he was doing his big speech told a bunch of really entertaining stories. Did some Q and A, it was really fun to see him, you know, interacting as best as you can. The same way that you might have seen Barry doing a show, you know, in the before times. Yeah, I mean, even from like a performer standpoint, it was insane to do a Barry show. So many people came out just because Barry was there. Like we offered a VIP package so you could pay to like meet him and talk to him, meet and greets in the time of COVID are kind of on the fence for me. But you know, like you can do whatever you want if you're hosting it. But it was just a lot of fun. He was super great. He was super fun to hang out with. He gave a very generous donation to the cast and like we just had a really fun time for all those shows that we did. He was very big on the whole asshole thing and was even wearing a pair of underwear that said asshole on it. And in the interview, he even told a story about visiting a cast in L A and gifting them a signed pair of underwear too. Yeah, that's kind of his thing at these things that he shows up to. He likes to distribute signed pairs of underwear. The New York City cast actually has a pair of them too. Barry genuinely does seem to enjoy interacting with Rocky Horror fans. He's one of the stars that's embraced the cult following. He hasn't gotten as annoyed some of the others. So in the interview, he discussed having the realization that Brad was the role that he'd been recognized for forever. I disagree. I think he was most well known as the grandfather from Teen Beach movie. But I guess that's neither here nor there. Spin City for Life. Oh my gosh. I was watching that recently. I watched it because my partner had never seen it before. So I showed it to her and the scene where Barry Boswick and Meatloaf are like the two, like guys, Rocky Cops, the Rocky Cops when they're talking with Sue Sylvester. I was like, do you know who they are? And she was like, am I supposed to? I was like, yes, yes, you are supposed to know who they are. Admittedly. Barry looks markedly younger in that meatloaf has looked the same since like the early two thousands. So like that one was an easy peg. But Barry, come on, look at him. We might have to revoke her Rocky Horror card. I'll tell her that after we're done, regardless of where you recognize Barry, you know, he has always said that he thought that Brad Majors was gonna be the character that he was recognized for forever. And he had stated that when it fans began stopping him on the street to call him an asshole, he said I had a feeling it was going to be the lead line in my obituary. And honestly, Barry, if it's not, I'm gonna be mad. Yeah. Uh That's a little dark but to, to get back, the interview was in part to help bring awareness to the national independent venue associations. Save our Stages Act. It's an act seeking long term assistance for performance venues that are shuttered during COVID, which is something that's literally important to every single person on this podcast and listening to this podcast because without performance venues, we don't perform. So if you'd like to learn more about what you can do to help visit savers stages dot com. Nice and a bit more of uh how the hell is this about Rocky News, Patty o'hagan is selling his house. Who? Yeah. Uh So this came up the other day, the Load Stone property website featured an article about a home being sold by Patty o'hagan. And for those of you who may not know which is gonna be basically everybody except Aaron Patty o'hagan was the original London cast person who portrayed Eddie and Doctor Scott. So now you're caught up to speed. Yeah, that's right. He was also a founding member of the Pip Simmons Theater Group. So that was a experimental theater group that did shows at the Royal Courts Theater upstairs. That's where Rocky would eventually premiere in London in 73. He also starred in an early seventies show called The Pipkins, which was meant to rival Sesame Street. It was like Sesame Street except really creepy in a low budget British kind of way. Fun fact, Patty is actually the reason that Eddie plays the saxophone at all. Oh, yeah. And in Jim Whittaker's book, Cosmic Light, he mentions that Patty o'hagan was given advice by his agent to take his saxophone along to his Rocky Horror edition just in case Jim Sharman was recruiting musicians and it turned out that he showed up with his sax, ended up jamming with Richard o'brien, talking about rock music and science fiction movies and they eventually incorporated the saxophone into the role that they gave him a couple other fun facts about Patty o'hagan in the original role in the stage show, the stage was so tiny, it was only nine ft front to back that for, for him to pop out of the coca-cola freezer as Eddie, he had to crawl on his hands and knees on the floor to haul himself into the freezer and up out of a hole cut in the top of the box. During the original production for the stage show, he was also doing Doctor Scott and when the line or should I call you, Doctor Von Scott was added, Jim Sherman added it in to flesh out Doctor Scott's character Patty, his arm in the customary fascist salute and cried out Ze Kyle, which was the callback that you all are familiar with. Not saying anymore, right? Yeah, I actually prefer Hail hydra there. I think it's just funnier and more topical because you know, there are real nazis that are still somehow a fucking thing. Punch Nazis. Yeah. The Nazi affiliation with Doctor Scott is actually supposed to be a surprise in the show, Richard o'brien was super disappointed that Jonathan Adams decided to do a German accent for Scott for the whole movie traditionally on stage, Doctor Scott still played with a non German accent. Usually American Patty also played Eddie and Scott in the 1975 show in Japan in Tokyo and Osaka. And that's amended Rocky as an international theatrical sensation. They're all treated like pop stars. So, Patty, in the article, he says that he'd get free drinks at restaurants and that sort of stuff, but don't forget it was very small. Then you could go out to supper at the casserole that was down the Kings Road at World's end and famous rock stars just walked in like Mick Jagger and David Bowie. It wasn't a huge crazy industry like it is now. So obviously the celebrity's treatment was a little different than it is now, but it's still really cool that he got to experience it, especially for Rocky Horror. Hell, yeah, Patty didn't take part in the initial US Broadway run of the show and was replaced by meat loaf in the movie. He seems to think that this was totally the right call in the article he states about meat loaf. He was much better than me. I have to say he's got a great rock and roll voice. Yeah. In the years since Rocky, him and his wife Judith, they've been married for 50 years, decided that they wanted to have kids. Patty retired from acting and he started working as a design and technology teacher. He taught in classrooms for a while before moving on to run the Department of Education's Arts qualifications accreditation process. About 10 years ago, he fully retired from work and moved to the house that he's now putting up for sale. Oh, and in case you were wondering the house is £1.4 million. If you were interested in purchasing a $2 million house in the UK or just seeing pictures. We've got a link to the article in our show notes. It's very fancy. So check it out if you want to see the other half lives. So next, how about we talk about something that we can all afford? I think that sounds a little bit better for all of you with an inter scene. Kid in your heart. Hot topic recently launched a line of ugly Rocky horror Christmas sweaters. Oh, now let me be clear. They are very, very ugly. Like honestly, I'll be realistic with all of you sometimes when I see ugly Christmas sweaters, I'm like, yo, those are actually really cute. But let me be explicitly clear when I say that these are legitimately ugly. They really, they really, really, really dig home. The idea of the ugly Christmas sweater. They have like red and green Franks on them with like little tap dancing Columbia all over them. What makes it even worse, I think for me is the fact that they aren't actually even sweaters. Oh yeah, they're like traditional, like ugly sweater print, but they're on things like crew necks, t-shirts, tank tops, hoodies, they're not like the actual, like, really thick wool ugly sweaters, you know, it's just like the typeface on it. Well, that's unfortunate. I, I would have been first in line if it was actually a knit sweater. I mean, these things are terrible. I mean, I, I guess that makes them perfect for people who want to wear them ironically. Oh, my God, they're so fucking pretty. Ok. They're an online exclusive. If you want to rock one for Christmas, go check them out at hot topic. I don't know, I, I appreciate right. That hot topic. No matter what decade it is, you can walk in there and you will always see some piece of Rocky Horror merchandise. I remember walking in there 20 years ago and seeing Rocky horror stuff. I remember walking in there, well, a year ago now and seeing Rocky Horror stuff. The only difference is I have to stare at a bunch of Rick and Morty crap. Now, speaking of cartoons, did you guys see that? There was a Rocky horror reference in Bless the hearts. I did, I did not. So for those of you who don't know, bless the hearts is an animated show on Fox. And they did an episode recently that featured Rocky Horror pretty heavily as a plot point. It's a show about a working class family living in North Carolina and it's very reminiscent of the king of the hill. It's blue collar parents with a very artsy kid who all love each other, but don't quite get each other. It's a larger commentary on the cultural differences and similarities between liberals and conservatives and between different generations. So, the show was created by Emily Spivey, who if you don't know her, she has worked on Saturday Night Live Parks and Rec Mad TV. And now she's working for Bless the Hearts, which is now currently in its second season, the three main characters in Bless The Hearts are voiced by pretty big names, Kristen Wiig Maya Rudolph and Jillian Bell. So you can tell that despite the explanation of the show, it is very much a liberals making fun of liberals kind of show. In this episode of the show, the teenage daughter, Violet Hart is flunking gym class because she hates it and refuses to participate whatsoever. Which same I failed gym twice. But I digress her gym teacher tells her that he'll pass her if she can pass the presidential fitness test. And Violet initially accuses her gym teacher of failing her because he's a po down homophobic meat head jock who's bullying the artsy gay kid. So her mom gets angry and goes to give the teacher a piece of her mind where she finds out the gym teacher is gay and that her daughter is actually failing because she isn't putting in the effort. So on their way home from school, Violet sees a marquee that says the Rocky horror picture show on it and she gets super excited and does a crazy gymnastic sprint over to the local theater and she's like jumping on cars and shit. And the mom learns about Rocky and her daughter's other artsy interests and uses them as a motivator to help her train for the test, which she ultimately passes. So at the end of the episode, the whole town turns up dressed in costume to attend Rocky. Horr and Violet decides that it's too mainstream and leaves. It was totally a jab at Rocky people and liberal theater kids in general, but it does have the overarching message of don't judge people based on what they look like, sound like or where they live just because someone is from a small town in the south doesn't mean they aren't just as excited to dress up and go to Rocky as you are. Yeah, it was a fun reference. It was short but it still was a pivotal part of the episode. I thought it was pretty fun to watch. It's not the first time that Rocky has been used in an animated series to discuss difficult situations though American dad, a show with a very similar format, conservative parents and artsy son. There was an episode in 2011, uh called Doctor Klaus where Steve pretends that his gay next door neighbors are his dads because he's embarrassed to introduce his new girlfriend to his conservative parents. His real parents find out when they see Steve, his girlfriend and the neighbors shadow casting Rocky in the neighbor's living room. So they all have to figure out how to find common ground together. And Rocky's kind of used as a catalyst for that. Yeah, Rocky was also referenced in King of the Hill, which is another show with a conservative dad, middle of the road mom and an artsy kid. The episode was called the Peggy Horror picture show. It aired in 2007 and the mom character Peggy meets and quickly becomes close friends with someone named Carolyn. She doesn't realize until later in the episode that her friend is a guy and Carolyn is his drag persona. So Peggy learns about the drag community and her new friendships with Carolyn and the other queen she meets, help her become more confident in herself and comfortable in her own skin. And while we're talking about cartoons that incorporate Rocky horror into it, y'all remember the boondocks, right? The show that was on adult swim. It was a show about a black family, grandfather, his two grandsons, they lived in like a white suburb. The show itself focuses like really heavily on racial and social class issues. But there was this episode called Pause. It aired in 2010 and the character granddad, you know, he's cast in a play that isn't like a Tyler Perry's Madea play, but it's like totally a Tyler Perry Mea play. You know the character who isn't Tyler Perry, but like totally is dresses up as Frank and performs a time Warp esque song called It's all right to cross dress for Christ. And there's like a lot that goes on in this episode. I'm sure you can find it somewhere online if you're interested. The show writers have a lot to say about like Tyler Perry and now he does business. But the overarching message of the episode is how much it sucks that being gay is often really difficult in the black community and how people should just be able to openly be who they are instead of having to jump through hoops to attempt to justify their sexuality. I mean, I feel like we find that common theme in all of these episodes. The main point is inclusivity and acceptance in each of these episodes. Characters are learning to be less judgmental of others and learning to be more confident in themselves. Yeah, they all focus on bridging the gap between different classes of people, whether it's generational racial, political, socioeconomic. It's a mix of all the above in some of these cases. It's really cool to see Rocky being used as a major Touchstone in the media as kind of like the embodiment of inclusivity. It's literally what we strive for within our community. And it's a really nice reminder that it's kind of how the outside world sees us too. And while we're on the topic of popular culture as a whole. There was a new Miley Cyrus Do Ali, a video called Prisoner. It's a new single. Miley is like the main artist. Dual Lipa is the featured artist and it dropped on November 19th. It's got this very late seventies, early eighties glam rock vibe. Yeah. It's, it's super reminiscent of Olivia Newton. John's physical and it's like main, the thing's clearly got an aesthetic. It's looking for, it's even shot in four by three, right? Like, so it looks like an old V H S recording of tour footage. Oh my God, it's so hot. It is so hot. Don't get me started. So the video opens up with disembodied lips that continue to make appearances throughout the whole song. Does that sound familiar everyone? So it seems like a very intentional homage to Rocky considering like, you know, the seventies eighties punk feel of the entire video. It just, it oozes that aesthetic and now we're just gonna do a quick little transition to our next segment community news where we're gonna be talking about another Rocky inspired music video that just dropped this week for all of you drag fans and you drag race fans. The new Katia and Trixie Mattel video, Ding Dong is another video that features big red disembodied lips throughout the entire song. It's got a very rocky like red black color scheme to it again. Oozing that Rocky Horror aesthetic. Yeah. The video also features Trixie Mattel who's a very known Rocky horror performer. She was first introduced to drag while playing Trixie with the Milwaukee cast, Sensual daydreams and she still continues to perform Rocky Numbers as part of her live show. There's a really cool video of her forming a whole medley of rocky numbers that will link in our show notes if you want to check it out. Yeah, just last month she had did a reaction video to an old youtube video. She had posted criticizing her own Frank makeup tutorial that she had put up 10 years ago and I'll be realistic. I love Trixie Mattel so much. She's like s tier drag queen if we talk about queens on drag race. But that Frank makeup was just ok. You know, she's a queen that is like known for her look and her, her makeup was just ok in that video, it's not horrible, but I wouldn't call it like over the moon Frank drag makeup, you know, but it was really, really, really funny watching her get horrified by how bad that she thought that she was. And obviously her makeup game is like a million times better now. I actually ended up meeting Trixie two years ago at New York City Drag Con. The New York City cast was asked by Mimi, I'm first who is another drag race contestant from season three because she was doing like a rocky horror themed booth and wanted other people to like stand with her. So at the beginning of Dragon, they have all the queens that are being represented at the convention, walk down the pink carpet and we were able to walk down with Mimi, I'm first. So Mimi was Frank and all of us were like Magenta Riff, Brad Janet, et cetera. And when we were backstage, getting ready to walk down Trixie actually came up to us right before she walked out onto the pink carpet and was like, I absolutely love this aesthetic. I love all of this. Your costumes are so accurate and every single one of us promptly shit our pants because we were all drag race fans and we were all Trixie fans and she just came up to us and was like, this is incredible. It reminds me so much of like when I was doing Rocky back in the day, I love it. Please keep doing it, Mimi, this is incredible and then just kind of went out and did her walk like it was nothing and we were like, amazing, love Trixie, love everything that she's done for the Rocky Horror community, love her, everything she's done with the drag community. Trixie Mattel. Please notice me. It's fun to see her still doing stuff like this, right? I mean, even if it's just, you know, being featured in another drag queens uh music video, but keeping the Rocky aesthetic going on, that's, that's what they're doing this year. It's 2020. You know, that's what they can do. Speaking of 2020 we got virtual shows coming up, the ordinary kids have their virtual show that's happening this weekend, November 27th at 10 PM Eastern, the 28th at eight pm and 11 PM Eastern and the 29th at two PM Eastern. We've talked about their show uh, before, in past episodes, it sounds really cool. They're doing a virtual performance with a whole bunch of different pre shows. If you're spending the holiday with your family this weekend and need a fucking break, you should go check out their shows. You need to go to the ordinary kids NJ dot com. That'll have all the info for how you can tune in. Oh uh One more thing that was just shared on Facebook. Literally, as we're recording this episode, R K O Army has just created a monthly mailing list where you can sign up to receive info about their upcoming shows and updates about the 2022 R K 04 convention. I know I'm excited if you'd like to join. It's really easy. Just text R K O E M to 66866. You'll be prompted to give them your email address and then you're all signed up. You'll get monthly R K O news sent directly to your email. If you sign up, you also get a coupon code for 20% off their Etsy store valid until November 29th. Their Etsy store is adorable. You can find all sorts of really cute buttons, pins, key rings, they have the new, did you know the castle is now a hotel merch up for sale. So if you want to get some early Black Friday shopping done, you should get the extra discount again. That's text R K O E M to 66866. So before we end this segment, we have a quick public service announcement, the Rocky Horror Picture Show and the Rocky horror remake, which is the Rocky Horror picture show. Let's do the time warp again. Both leave Hulu on December 8th. If this is how you're consuming the movie to practice for a role or to watch for entertainment, I guess if people do that, you've got until December 8th to either buy a copy or borrow from literally anyone, you know. And with that, I think we're going over to Nicky asks a question. Oh, hell yeah, Nikki, what do you got for us this week? Ok. So this needs some explaining. I chose my question and my question was I know of at least one Rocky horror porno one where they use real costumes. But I've been told there are more why? So before we get an explanation from Aaron, like we always do, we all took it upon ourselves to do a little bit of studying and we watched basically every Rocky horror porno we could find in the span of like three days. So without further ado Aaron, please explain to me in thorough detail the reasoning for these pornos. Oh my God. Ok. Why do you do this? I love pain. So fortunately for us, it's the future and pornography is available at the click of a button. Even Rocky horror porn. So there's a couple of films that folks are generally talking about when they mention a Rocky horror porno. There's the 1986 Rocky porno video show or the 2011 Rocky horror porno show. There's also the 2002 funky fetish horror show and a couple other minor spoofs. But those are the three that you're actually gonna run into. Are you somehow about to turn my question about porn into a history lesson? No, John's gonna do that. You're damn right. It's my turn bitches. So sit back and let me take you on a journey through Rocky and Corn and their intersectionality. First, we're gonna talk about the Rocky porno video show which is a 1986 parody film. Everything in it is horrible. It's so bad. There's like a bad sweetie parody song, Mistress Talla, who's a big porn star back in the day as the doctor Franken Furter, like equivalent character in the show. It was released by Raven Entertainment. It's bad. So with that being said, let's talk about the plot of it because you know what good is porn without a plot, you know, I mean, that's what I'm tuning in for. I only watch for the plot. Yeah, I also only watch for the plot. So in this version of our classic Rocky horror tale, Brad and Janet are portrayed by Tommy and Tammy. They are a newlywed couple who are on their way to their honeymoon when they run out of gas. So they spot a house up on the road, a castle. Yeah. No, castle. This house is not a castle. They walk up to the house. So when they go up, they are greeted by their Riff Raff character who in this is named preface, this guy is wearing like a horrible founding father's wig and like, what's up with his skin? Is he doing like orange, black face or is that like a spray tan? I mean, let's really unpack this for a sec Preuss was a fertility god from Greek mythology. He's a protector of livestock gardens, fruit plants and male genitalia. And he's usually depicted with an oversized permanent erection. So, I mean, do with that what you will. I am also usually depicted with an oversized permanent erection. He's a giant dick. So is um boo boo of your mother's panty line or whatever, all that. Uh But at this point in the porno, we get the only song parody on top of the opening credits. Yeah, this is um titled Come on in. Uh it's sung by Linda Thomas. I don't know who she is but the whole thing is just a porn montage of clips from the rest of the movie. So you could stop right there. Have a good idea of what's coming or you could do what we did and keep watching. Tommy and Tammy decide to stay the night and they are shown to their room after being reminded that breakfast is the next morning. Let me just get off topic for one second. You know, something is wrong when the eighties porn has a better grasp on the timeline than the cult classic film. Yeah. But anyway, in their room, they get a if I do say so myself, yeah, we found out earlier in the car that Tommy and Tammy hadn't boned before, but apparently Tammy's like all down now that she's in a strange house full of people or maybe she just wants to bone on her wedding night. Yeah. But can we talk about those tan lines on Janet? You're a porn star. You literally have one job or like the ugly ass bedspread like teal aqua white? I actually had to have my partner tell me what those colors are because I'm really bad with colors. But it's like watching people fuck in your grandmother's guest bedroom. Oh my God. So it turns out the whole time, Tommy and Tammy were being watched by Mistress Tanta and Riff the character. Uh we finally get some plot. So Tanta explains about Brad and Janet or Tommy and Tammy. They will make good specimens these earth lanes. So she orders Riff to increase the level of sexual ions in the atmosphere which I have on good authority is not an actual scientific thing. Um But you know, there's a lot we don't know about the universe and when he promptly does increase the level of sexual ions in the atmosphere, he turns it up past sex to dare we say hypersex and they also named Drop where they're from, which is, of course, as any good Rocky horror parody is gonna say they are from the planet Sex Lovan in another galaxy where they apparently have those electricity balls that you can buy from Spencer's gifts and they sure fucking use them a lot. After a bit more of Brett and Janet Tan Tila finally makes her grand entrance and even though we just saw her before it's fine, we've got to do a big frank reveal and she does it not with an elevator, but by slowly walking down a flight of stairs and the next morning at breakfast we're introduced to the whole rest of the fucked up family. This is a lot, there's Pandora who is just Cindy Lauper, Magenta uh Venus, which is Colombia allegedly, maybe who knows. Then there's Oedipus and arrows which are just like two punk rocker dudes. I mean, who wouldn't want two punk rocker dudes at breakfast. And we learned that their job is to recruit humans to take back to sexy So, yeah, Brad and Janet, Tommy and Tammy come in on this whole fucked up breakfast scene and Brad is immediately like, oh, I wanna stay. I, I, they're punk rockers. I've never hung around with a band before Janet wants to leave, but Brad puts his foot down and they decide to stay. So now Brad and Janet are honeymooning at this like fucking airbnb that they've discovered. Janet starts suntanning for some reason. Arrows and Oedipus materialize wearing aviator glasses for some reason and jeans and they're all telepathically communicating like they've been sent by Tanti to check on Janet's quality of a person. E Yeah. Yeah. So meanwhile, Tanta is watching Janet, she tells Riff to go have mags in Columbia, fuck Brad. They go to seduce Brad who they catch fucking a hot tub jet. Uh With these winners, Venus has a fly trap and Pandora has a box. No, I don't get it. I don't get anything about it. So then it just kind of cuts back and forth between Janet and the two guys, Brad and the two girls and the Tan and Ray for about like 30 straight minutes just so you don't have to go and watch this. Here are some selected highlights, Tanti ques out a candle that is now something I've said on record. Oh, don't worry because EDI and Arrows have this whole telepathic conversation to let each other know that they must ejaculate on the Earth lane, which is a shame that nobody told Janet because she's just sitting there looking surprised and they just, they just stand there talking to each other telepathically. Well, Janet's just there and we find out that Janet of course, sucks like a sex Slovenian swamp sucker. Hold on. Hold on. This implies the existence of a thing called a Sylvania swamp sucker. But also is that a compliment or an insult? They don't even get into the lore of sex Slovenia and the fauna that exist there. But apparently there is a sex slovenian swamp sucker that is known for sucking very well. And Janet clearly is on par with it. Is it, is it like a hermit? Right? Or is it like an animal type? I hope it's like a like a hermit? Like these are, there's just these swamp suckers that are in the swamp and they're like, they're these hermit ladies who suck really well and not like a rejected dragon looking thing. Yeah, I, I really, I liken it more to like a Bigfoot yeti kind of thing rather than like, you know, like a I, I think it takes more of like a humanoid crypt version if I really had to think about it myself. Are you really unpacking the lore of sexy right now? Is this really a thing that's happening? Yeah. So everyone gets done boning and Brad and Janet, Tommy and Tammy, they meet up again. Tammy wants to leave. Tommy wants to stay. Tammy gets really huffy tells Tommy that it's none of his business who she sleeps with tonight. Now, we get some really awkward bedroom scenes between Tanta and Brad and Tanta and Janet just kind of vanilla, whatever. And afterwards she tells them to prepare for the great ritual and then magically puts them to sleep. Spoiler. The ritual is an orgy. It's an orgy. All right. And Tanta reveals that she wants to transport Tommy and Tammy to beyond the galaxy to the swamps of Sex Lavan and she baptizes them in the name of seduction, obsession and temptation. And then the big old orgy begins, but part way through, Riff turns the aisle level down to no sex. Ho hold on, hold on. We've established that there's swamps. Oh my God. Ok. So we know that it's a swamp barren planet Sylvania that has so anyway, somehow this causes like a rocky like body builder to appear, but he just goes in to join on the orgy where everyone is in black Corsets. There's not much else to say about it. Brad and Janet Tommy and Tammy get super awkward in the middle of this orgy because the sex ions have been removed from the atmosphere. So they just kind of crawl away superhero style and that's it. That's the whole thing. Bad. 1986 porn is an understatement. Yeah. I mean, the first time that I heard about this thing was from the Rocky Horror Purity Test. I found a copy online. Like, right when I joined my first cast and I took it, I saw that there was a Rocky porno question on there and I had no idea what it was. I asked my cast director if they'd heard of it and the people that were on my cast mates and my director was like, oh, yeah. No, I, I'll bring a copy to watch at the next cast party and of course, of course she did, it had the real V H S copy with the cover. The cover on this thing is actually kind of cool. It's got dripping letters on it and all this kind of stuff. What's the purity test? Oh, ok. Yeah. No, there's a version of it up on Rocky music dot org. Um I'll just send it around here real quick. Some of these are really straightforward. Gone to Rocky Drunk. Seen the movie more than 1000 times had sex with more than one cast member at once. Yeah. And some are just outright weird. Like, have you performed while pregnant or injured? You know, because they're the same thing I guess. Have you ever been rudely insulted because of your Rocky attire? Do you own any Tim curry albums? Have you ever deep throated a ketchup bottle at Denny's like, Nicky and I will take the test. We'll get scored while you Aaron, explain to the people exactly what this thing is. Sure. So a lot of this information is well documented by Sean mccur. He runs Rocky music dot org. The purity test was originally created sometime in the mid to late early nineties. So around 92 by a guy named Rob Rombauer and Janelle Adair, he ran a bulletin board local to Atlanta, Georgia all the way up through late 1997 when it closed down, it suffered the same fate as most pre internet digital communities. Sean from Rocky Music preserved the Purity Test through 1995. He updated earlier references that were to watch a full house to change them over to Denny's and he frequently posted it and amended it. The changes over time are well documented up on the use net archive and the version that he presented on Rocky Music has pretty much remained unchanged for the last 15 years. Funny story. The way that I know that it remained unchanged is because I remember when I first printed out a copy of this test so that I could fill it out with the other people that I had just, you know, joined cast with and I, I was doing the research for this show and I realized that I probably still had the printout sitting somewhere. So I went over to my shelf. It's got a bunch of my Rocky crap on it, pulled down the binder of loose paper and flipped through it for a while until I finally found it. Yes. Indeed. Here was the Rocky Horror Purity Test since I printed it out. It has at the top and the bottom, the date that it was printed, right? You know how printers used to do that? I went and I looked at it turns out I printed it on November 22nd, 2004. So 16 years ago today I was talking about the same damn thing. That's so weird. I was four. Funny how history repeats itself. All right, y'all let's go over these scores. So um I got 107. No way. I got a higher score than you. Well, that's because you're a slight. Hey, hey, guys, shut the fuck up. I 100 and 67. OK. Yeah, because Aaron's a slight. No, it's because I've spent way too much money on some of the stuff that it has on here. Our producer, Meg, the New York City director, my wife, three points on the test. Uh She did this too. She scored a 1 34. So I'm the baby out of all three of you with this. Well, to be fair, I got a 1 26 but like there's like an entire segment dedicated to like dating cast members and hooking up with cast members and I, I don't want to talk anymore on the subject. So what I'm saying is that I was right. Shut the fuck up. So the first version of the Rocky Horror Purity Test was made in 1992 which is the year that I was born. So, it's 28 years old. And last week we had discussed what was going on in the early nineties with the V H S release. So, if you'll recall, laser disk was like one of the few things to see superheroes. And once in a while, you know, it was a big collector's item. So, the same reason it asks about bootlegs and imports, you know, it was early nineties. Those were all the purest ways at that moment to see the movie. Yeah, and just like the version that I had sitting on my shelf, like this thing hasn't been updated, at least for anything that's happened in the 21st century. So if you've got an updated version out there, let us know, send it over. We'd love to cover it on an upcoming episode. Retake the test. See if uh John can get that score up. At least I got to check the box for seeing the porno. It's a shame we didn't watch it on Zoom though. I could have got extra points. This was bad. I've watched the 86 porno a few times. It just, it doesn't hold like it's funny. It's campy but it, it's not good. It's not good as porn and it's not good as parody. Yeah. Agreed. I'm not a fan. One of the other ones that we're gonna talk about later. I am much more a fan of this one. If I had to rate the three that we're going to talk about. This one's probably my least favorite. I think this is better than the one that we're gonna talk about next, but not by much. I mean, do you want to just get into it now and get it over with? Yeah. So the second one that we've got on the list here is the funky fetish horror show. So this is probably the least rocky of the three of these, but it's worth going through because the plot is at least vaguely Rocky related. I, I don't know. Let's get into this. Yeah. So the plot of this one, the funky fetish horror show is pretty much what you would expect, but it's so, so, so bad. It's honestly kind of hard to keep track of the uh quote unquote plot of this one. So Brad and Janet's car breaks down, they go to a castle in the rain this time. It's an actual castle, not like a fucking Airbnb and Frank who is a time traveling transvestite in this one causes them to change into B DS M fetish outfits and makeup. They have lots of sex. They're all wearing very glittery fetish wear. There's a lot of industrial looking sets, there's no music which is very uncomfortable. Frank tells them that they are now his ambassadors to Earth and then they wake up in the car. Was it all a dream. Was it? Not a dream? Well, no, Frank has left a crystal from the castle behind Brad and Janet smile at each other and then the credits roll and that's it kind of. So you would think based on that description, right? That this is, oh, ok. So this is a fun short, little updated spoof. No, it is not. This thing is an hour in 46 fucking minutes long. I I literally think that they used every single second of footage that they filmed and they just strung it all together. It is so bad. Let me tell you the intro for this thing are these like nasty looking red lips they're wearing like it's got to be like glow in the dark lipstick or something and they just, they're not even singing, they're just mouthing some A S M R style like dirty talk for way, way, way, way, way, way, way too long. And that's it. That's the only like Rocky related song air quotes. It's, it's like spoken word nonsense. You know, there's a couple of things that are OK versus the original porno, right? They have a castle. There's an enter at your own risk sign. The characters are actually named Brad Janet and Frank. That's cool. Frank's actually a dude wearing stockings and heels, admittedly, he's like this small ninja looking Eastern European dude. But sure there's, there's one dialogue choice in, in it that makes you feel like it's Rocky at one point, Frank does say don't dream, it feel it. Is it about his dick? There's also a throne uh at the end of the movie. Um, but it doesn't look like the Rocky Throne. It's, in fact, I'm pretty sure it's just a chair. I think I just wrote down that he sits in a chair. I mean, let's get into the minuses though. If we're going to talk about pros and cons, this one didn't have a funny theme song. So like, what's the point? I mean, that's all it really needed. And it really lacked the bad camp feel of the 1986 porno. There was no truly outrageous dialogue. It was missing blowing out candles. Mistress Tanta or hyper sex. And there was a boring black light sex sequence that seemed to last forever. Yeah, I think the entire budget for this movie went to hot topic, Leg Avenue, Home Depot and Pet Smart because like this thing is just neon. Like the whole thing is a lot of fetish stuff. It's a lot of like leather shoe fetish. Like there's puppy play. It's definitely more into the kink side of things. Um But I don't think the director knew that. I think that he thought he was shooting some kind of cinematic masterpiece because there's just long slow dolly tracking shots. But he put the thing together and he forgot to put music on the whole thing, like 90% of the thing just doesn't have music even if the porn was good, which it's not, it's pretty much unwatchable without the music. I literally had to turn music on, on my ipod while I was watching this so that I didn't get bored. It's that bad. Like this, this one fails the basic requirement of being watchable pornography. I gotta give this one a pass. I, I think it's the worst of the three. If you're gonna sit down and try and get people to watch Rocky porn with you to have a laugh, this is not it. You are gonna cry and probably just have an awkward conversation about why you watched disgusting porn for an hour and 45 minutes right now. If there is a porn that everybody wants to actually sit down and watch that is Rocky related, I'm gonna recommend this one. I feel like this one kind of takes the cake, the Rocky horror porno show, which was released in 2011. It was released by Wicked Pictures. It was written and directed by Brad Armstrong and it was released as like a two DVD set. The second DVD is like special features. It's around 2030 bucks these days. You can still actually get the DVD of this one or you can just find it at most friendly neighborhood porn websites. But of course, if you're doing that, then you're missing the special features. The website describes it as and I quote Rocky fans prepare for the second best movie watching experience of your life. Wicked Pictures. And award winning director Brad Armstrong would like to make a toast. May we introduce Rocky, a porn parody? Like no other that pays homage to the hilariously naughty cult classic. Don't dream it. See it, we guarantee complete satisfaction. Get it. Oh, ok. Well, um, there's a part in Sweet T where he says, is this a patient? They, they, yeah, they're playing on it there. Yeah. See, it's funny because now I've explained it to you and just to be clear for legal reasons, we have to clarify. Rocky is spelled with an I here and horror is W H O R E. So it's the Rocky spelled with an I or porno show. Yes. So they've produced four original parody musical numbers in this and some of the dialogue has nods to like the original Rocky Horror fan base and it even has Ron Jeremy in it. If I had to give my professional opinion on Ron Jeremy in it, he definitely showed up. I think that that's about the only thing you can say about his performance in this. There's a special feature that shows literally falling asleep in the wheelchair that he's sitting in playing doctor Scott in the middle of a porn scene. This one's actually hilarious. They clearly care about doing fan service. It has uh we'll, we'll talk about it here in a, in a bit, this, the community kind of centered around this one when it was in production and stuff. But if there's a porn to show people, it's this one. So let's give a brief plot breakdown. Although if you're familiar with Rocky, you're roughly familiar with the plot here. They actually try and keep it pretty close. Yeah. So Brad and Janet's car breaks down at the beginning. They fuck in the car as you do. That happens. Yeah. As you do as they clearly did in the movie, of course, uh they see a motorcycle, they walk to a castle which is now a hotel with the newspapers over their head. Riff and Magenta greet them. They assume that Brad and Janet are from like an agency for a porn shoot. There's a sweet tea with Frank who is the director. Nice Throne. It's pretty. They also play like ragtime porn music throughout it and I'm not gonna sit here and specify which is the best type of porn music. But ragtime porn music is better than no music. In my opinion, I'm looking at you funky fetish, the criminologist who we'll talk about in a second. Uh He introduces the lab scene. It's like a full blown multi tier lab set. It has statues, speakers like all the shadow casting props that you would expect. Yeah. Once they're in the lab, they introduce Rocky. Uh she is a big breasted blonde Swedish Bimbo and Frank sings her the hit song in just seven days. I can make you a porn star. Uh Yes. Don't you all remember that one? Frank offers Brad and Janet a room. Janet tells Brad there's no way she's sleeping in the car. So they agree to Frank's proposition. Uh Magenta manages to somehow have a worse accent than the remake. Magenta Brad and Janet go to bed. Columbia goes to bed and Freddie shows up. That's Freddie with an f definitely different than Eddie Freddie. He shows up, he climbs up the outside of the castle poorly and through Colombia's window. Fun fact, Columbia gives Freddie her gum so that he can chew it while she uh well, chews on him and that all happens to a wonderful stock music version of Shake Rattle and Roll. Freddie and Columbia go at it for a while, but he stops and tells her that he really wants her to stop doing porn. She responds she can't, she loves it too much. So he a song about how much he loves banging her and how he's gonna murder Frank. One of the lines in this I kid you not, I'll rip off your head skull. Fuck you till you're dead. Wait is he s wait ripping off Columbia. He wants to rip off Frank's head and then skull. Fuck Frank's head until Columbia is dead. No, no, until Frank is dead. You see it has to rhyme. So he's saying to Frank, I rip off your head skull. Fuck you. Tell your dad Right. So he is insisting that he's gonna rip off Frank's head and Frank is still gonna be alive afterwards. Right now. People get beheaded, they're still alive for like three minutes valid citation needed. Ok. So Frank interrupts this wonderful conversation that Freddie and Columbia are having and does what you think he kills Freddie chops off his head. Uh absolute worst prop head you've ever seen, but probably one of the most screen accurate pick axes you'll ever see. So it's got that going for him. So obviously Colombia is super sad but Magenta comes into console her and they're matching clit piercings. Uh And then we go to Janet's bedroom scene which has more accurate color than the Blu Ray. Might I add just saying, but it's full of bad one liners and there's the sins of the flesh reference. They say Satu say it faction. Uh And then Brad's bedroom scene has Mona and Lisa and they do Brad's floor show makeup before they fuck him to the stock music of the Austin Powers theme. Hold on. Who the hell is Mona and Lisa. I think they're just these two characters that they wrote in so that Brad didn't have to be gay. Oh Right. Wouldn't want Brad to be gay in Rocky Horror. That would be a problem. Frank catches them and makes them leave and then does nothing with Brad because you know, like we said before, can't be gay, which is totally a letdown like I feel like that would have added a lot to the plot. But anyway, Riff then calls Frank to tell him that Rocky escaped and T P. Scott is at the door. That's Ron Jeremy. All right. That brings us to dinner where toast is thrown. So that's appreciated. It's revealed that Scott is writing a story about pornography and Frank is super suspicious because he thinks that Scott's trying to shut porno down like one man could do that. Ron Jeremy just manages to look confused the whole time. Nothing happens. It's honestly just as boring of a dinner scene as dinner scene is in the real movie, Riff and Magenta have elbow sex and then they have sex sex. We cut back to Crim, he's covered in toilet paper at this point and then Frank chases away Riff because he's not allowed to fuck Magenta. So now we've got Magenta in Colombia teasing Janet about starring in a porno. Janet's not sure if she wants to. So she decides to do the obvious reasonable course of action and go talk to Rocky about if she should do pornography. So Rocky and probably the most coherent thing that she says in the entire film says honestly, I want to direct but I want people to notice me and like me. So I should stay an actress deep to which Janet replies. I like you and Rocky immediately looks her deep in the eyes and says you want to feel my boob job. So that brings us to touch or as it's in this version, fuck a fuck up. This is exactly what you'd expect. Not very much lyrical work put in here, but uh the scene's cool. It's got a nice ple horse, a transducer, a weight rack. You're probably gonna want to change the paint on all of those after this. To nobody's surprise, Janet and Rocky fuck during this scene. who saw that one coming strap on included? You know, so Frank catches Riff, they all catch Janet and Rocky. They do the roll call, Brad. Janet Rocky, et cetera, et cetera. Frank convinces Brad to let Janet do porn because of the money. Janet and Rocky keep fucking Ron Jeremy watches for some reason. And uh Frank decides that Frank likes Janet's scene but the older cast members are now jealous about Frank bringing on new cast members and then they mutiny. They threaten Frank with a German Luger. Riff says Frank is a bad director and is taking over. So this is takeover as you would. But instead they just kind of drop that and then they do the time warp orgy. Let's have an orgy again and that's it. That's the whole thing. I mean, it goes pretty much from start to finish roughly following the plot line of Rocky. Everything's there that you kind of like if you thought to yourself, I'm gonna watch a Rocky horror porno. This is the one. It's all there. The costumes are there, the props are there, the sets are there, the lines are there, the homages are there? Lots of people in the community were consulted when they were making this thing? Uh The local cast to L A Sins of the flesh and in particular Rocky Horror legend Liz Stockton lent out a bunch of their costumes and set pieces to Wicked the production company. And honestly, it shows you watch this thing and you're like, oh wow. Some of those costumes and props are more screen accurate than what my local theater has. There's a whole special feature where they're like unpacking the costumes they received and going through trying them on. It's oddly familiar to backstage at a Rocky show, but the tits are just a lot faker. There's another feature that shows them at the 35th anniversary convention. What was that? Yes. So the 35th anniversary convention was in L A in 2010. This movie came out in 2011. Uh Sins of the flesh hosted that con the production company was actually an official sponsor for all three days of the convention. In addition to sponsoring and having a booth and a set up at the convention, they held talent searches looking for extras to perform in the film. From the Rocky Hora con attendees. They were offering a chance for one contestant to appear in that orgy. That's at the end part of the whole time warp thing. And Rocky horror legend Bernie Bregman, who is the organizer of Sins Khan is quoted in the official press release put out by Wicked Pictures. The Sins Khan team is extremely excited about our partnership with Wicked Pictures. We feel their cutting edge attitude and attention to detail are representative of many important aspects of the Rocky Horror philosophy and they will definitely bring an added Hollywood atmosphere and sex appeal to what will already be a great weekend of exciting events. He later goes on to say that it's great that an adult film company finally decided to do an up to date parody of this cult classic that everyone's seen and loved. We can't wait to see it. Looking forward to this weekend's festivities. He concludes Rocky horror and wicked pictures. That's almost too much sexy if there is such a thing. Ok, Bernie. Uh this is probably the most true to Rocky adaptation out there, right? I've said it a few times. There was a lot of drama though when it came out. Rumor has it that Richard o'brien was so mad that they were planning to show the porno admittedly without the porn at the 40 7-Eleven convention in Atlantic City the next year in 2011, he threatened to pull the rights to show Rocky at the con unless they cut the porno from the schedule. Now, that's just a rumor. I read it online. Uh I've heard it from other sources. As well. But I mean, obviously, Richard was not happy. He's always said that he's in, he doesn't like the porn adaptations in any way, shape or form. He has publicly said that he thinks they borrowed or stole his intellectual property mostly because they were mimicking the songs regardless of Richard's feelings for this. That didn't stop it from getting released. It was critically acclaimed within the adult film community in 2012, it cleaned up at the Avian Award show and for those of you who may not know Avian is the largest adult film award show. It's been held since 84. It's kind of considered like the porn Oscars. So in 2012, the Rocky horror parody won, it won best parody comedy, best director of a parody, best non sex performer for the criminologist. We'll talk about him in a second, uh best screenplay for parody, best editing, best makeup, best DVD extras, best art direction. It was basically the Hamilton of porn during that year. I mean, the only one of the I, I, I, I can't say that I've watched all the other contenders in 2012. My pornography history isn't quite that good, but I gotta say the DVD extras on this thing are actually really funny to watch. They're almost as entertaining as the movie is itself. So they definitely earned that one. So this came out in 2011. They cleaned up at the award show in 2012. But we haven't really heard much about it since, right. It's been out there, it just kind of gets brought up every time somebody goes, hey, you know, there's a rocky porno. Uh So we want to do a little bit of research and find out where are all these, these players now, like an updated vh1 style. Where are they now? So Brad Armstrong, he played Freddie and he was the director and the writer. he has acted in 299 videos since 1989. He majored in commercial art and advertising and he has been a director with Wicked Pictures since 1996. And his I M DB bio wins for most likely, I wrote this myself award. It says that he is a uniquely gifted visual stylist with a complete mastery of his storytelling skills. Brad Armstrong shines among his contemporaries and his ability to combine photographic elegance with the smoldering sensuality and dynamic narratives. I wish somebody would say all that about me. Damn. Just keep in mind this is the guy who has directed 178 pornos since 1995 including winners like Men Black, a hardcore parody or Magic Mike X X XL, a hardcore parody, which in my opinion seems unnecessary because like, isn't Magic Mike, you know. So next up, so next up is Mac Turner who plays the character Frank and Beans, not to be confused with Frank and Furter. Of course, so Mac Turner was thrust onto the scene in the early two thousands with such ja like pop my ass, the babysitter 20 mil figures, 367 and 10, his cock is a monster and swinging in the USA. How can we forget swinging in the USA? He also portrayed Santa Claus in 2000 and ten's ho ho ho. I get it. I get it. Yeah. See, it's funny but since doing Rocky Horror, he played Scarecrow in Not The Wizard of Oz X X X. Greatest name ever he sang did in that one. Like friend of mine. I fucked the witch and my favorite. I wonder what is happening? And he also performed in a, an adult film called Wet Food Three. Moving on. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about that one. That's a pass. All right. So Randy Spears, this is a guy who played stiff staff for those of you. Uh Get me every time. Yeah. So this guy apparently is like an adult film legend. His best known pornos are like the sex trek movies. He played the lead role, Captain Quirk spoofing. Captain Kirk. In those, they were a bunch of them that ran through the eighties and early nineties direct a video. He married his second wife and manager Gina Rodriguez in 2006. And together they and her kids appeared in the reality show, Mommy Triple X. This was the 13 episode series that aired on Crackle and Hulu uh he left porn in 2011 since then. He did some voice acting work. He was the voice of Mind Quad on American Dad. More recently though, in 2018, he was part of the Stormy Daniels story. Oh, shit. Yeah. So him and his, at this point now ex-wife Gina, uh, tried to help Stormy sell her stories. He was mentioned in the book that came out about the whole Stormy Daniels scandal. Things haven't been going quite so well though in 2020 a fan spotted him working in a grocery store behind the seafood counter and the press picked that story up kind of kicking the man when he's down. Although it sounds like he's doing what he wants to do. He became an or minister. He performs weddings and councils, couples who are having relationship issues and he speaks at universities and churches uh about such topics as the dangers of pornography and our youth and how religion saved his life. So, a bit of a redemption arc there for our good friend, stiff staff. Let's move on to Jessica Drake. She played Janet. She got married to Brad Armstrong, which is the guy that played Freddie and he was also the writer and director. She was born in Texas in 1974 and she was a dancer in an El Paso strip club that featured porn stars and would watch them and thought she could do better. She has starred in 248 adult films since 19 99. And in 2000, she was nominated for best new starlet at the A V N awards. In addition to hard core, she appeared in quite a few soft core films made for cable TV, and has made guest appearances on several TV series. She's the director of Jessica Drake's Guide To Wicked Sex, which is a 14 part series. Uh and there's, there, there's a big range here. There's B DS M for beginners satisfy her like a legend, woman to woman. And then there's also anal play for men and then a separate video that's just anal. There's a, there's a lot, there's a lot to unpack there. I don't want to get into it. I really don't. So it turns out the guy who played Crim, his name is James Bartle is in like every single porn spoof that you could possibly imagine. And he's generally in it in like a non sexual role. So he's been in porn parodies of Bewitched, the Partridge family three's company. Airplane saw Charlie's Angel Men in black grease, Deadpool, Captain Marvel. He has spanned like a generation of pop culture porn parodies and has been in all of them, basically, just kind of like a guy who is there. You know, he was born in 1959 and he's actually the host of inside the industry with James Bartle, which actually airs weekly on Sirius X M and L A talk radio and it's also available as a podcast. James Bartle also hosts a V N live and is the owner of Galaxy Publicity and Management, which is APR company for adult actors. So he's really doing the work in the adult community, which is just awesome. Those are where they're at now. Uh, so 10 years ago they were shooting porn and now they're, well, some of them are still shooting porn. Some of them are talking about Jesus and some of them are doing podcasts. So I guess we can agree that everybody failed. All right. At least now when you watch one of them with your cast, you can be the one. Everyone asks, how the hell do you know that? And I hope that you'll tell them about us. And thankfully that is all we are talking about this week. So before we go, we want to thank everyone who took the time to rate and review our show on itunes, on Spotify, on soundcloud and everyone who watched us on you youtube. We love all of you. We really appreciate all of your support. We're on Facebook and Instagram at Rocky Talky podcast. So if you liked us, please go check us out there. Also, please write to us. We want to hear about all the cool rocky stuff you and your cast are working on and we want to share it on our show. If you're working on a rocky related project, you're excited about or if your cast is doing a show and you want to spread the, go to our website rocky talky podcasts dot com and fill out our contact form to share with us. We can't wait to hear from you. And of course, we're wishing all our listeners a happy and safe holiday this weekend, please do everything you can to keep yourself safe so we can keep getting weird together every weekend. We'll see you guys next Thursday. Bye. See ya. What? Peace. Um, we were here at the funky fetish horror show. Can someone else say the title? I don't like those words.
Welcome back. Friends to Rocky Talkie. It's a podcast where we're gonna talk about everything and everything that has to do with Rocky Horror that is going on here abroad in the community and elsewhere. My name's John and I'm Nick. How are we doing today?

Folks
? I have a infection. I'm fine, but I sound like this now forever. How are you,

Aaron
? Oh, I'm ok. It's been a busy week. Lots of work, lots of pornography. But we'll get there. How about you, John? Do you watch, watch any good adult movies?

No
. Uh, I don't really have time to watch adult movies anymore. I, I work 11 to 7. I stream on Twitch every night at 7 30. Shameless plug. And then I record this every Sunday. So, uh, my porn watching time has diminished greatly, but I will tell you that I'm getting better in Overwatch. I'll tell you that.

Well
, at least, uh, at least you're focusing on the things that matter. Yeah,

exactly
. And speaking of things that matter, let's talk about some Rocky news first. We're gonna start off today with our global news. As always, Barry Bowe had done an interview this past week to promote the, I wish I was making this up the 45th anniversary of Rocky Harry. You hear that Aaron you're getting old. Yeah, he was talking about his drive in tour that he was been on throughout the entire Halloween 2020 season. He gave a quick little rundown of the origins of Rocky Horror, shadow casting and how it's kind of grown to be what it is today. He absolutely like gushes over the shadow casting community. He is always super nice and willing to work with us. He describes shadow casting as like a major cultural phenomenon. Yeah, I was

really
impressed. He, he knew a lot about the history of shadow casting. He gives the same kind of rundown that we did in our first episode. He condenses it a lot obviously for, you know, the mainstream audience, but he touched on a lot of the same points and it's clear that he has done his research. Yeah, he

also
discussed how shadow casting is becoming very difficult in the time of COVID. And I feel like we all have felt that we've all felt the effects of COVID on shadow casting in the community. Casts are losing their theaters, screenings and shadow cast numbers are shrinking because it's getting more expensive to screen the movie since the Disney buyout. But he says that he feels in spite of the difficulties, the number of Rocky Horror fans is still growing because people still find it easy to connect to the message of the movie

wholesome
content.

I
mean, you gotta remember this guy's probably seen the movie more than any of us this year. Right? I mean, he's traveling around seeing it all over the place.

Yeah
, valid. So in the interview, he describes the tour, he talks about how excited everyone is to be there, how the audience is able to turn a drive-in movie into a really cool party atmosphere, even from the comfort of their own cars, real cute, wholesome stuff.

Yeah
, I was fortunate enough to catch one of the drive-in shows that Barry did. Uh, Nicky, you guys did a Barry show with F and S and uh it was in a mall parking lot. The one that I was able to go to, to of cars, lots of people showed up, there was a great tech setup. They were able to film Barry live and project it up on the screen, you know, as he was doing his big speech told a bunch of really entertaining stories. Did some Q and A, it was really fun to see him, you know, interacting as best as you can. The same way that you might have seen Barry doing a show, you know, in the before times. Yeah,

I
mean, even from like a performer standpoint, it was insane to do a Barry show. So many people came out just because Barry was there. Like we offered a VIP package so you could pay to like meet him and talk to him, meet and greets in the time of COVID are kind of on the fence for me. But you know, like you can do whatever you want if you're hosting it. But it was just a lot of fun. He was super great. He was super fun to hang out with. He gave a very generous donation to the cast and like we just had a really fun time for all those shows that we did. He was very big on the whole asshole thing and was even wearing a pair of underwear that said asshole on it. And in the interview, he even told a story about visiting a cast in L A and gifting them a signed pair of underwear too.

Yeah
, that's kind of his thing at these things that he shows up to. He likes to distribute signed pairs of underwear. The New York City cast actually has a pair of them too. Barry

genuinely
does seem to enjoy interacting with Rocky Horror fans. He's one of the stars that's embraced the cult following. He hasn't gotten as annoyed some of the others.

So
in the interview, he discussed having the realization that Brad was the role that he'd been recognized for forever. I disagree. I think he was most well known as the grandfather from Teen Beach movie. But I guess that's neither here nor there.

Spin
City for Life.

Oh
my gosh. I was watching that recently. I watched it because my partner had never seen it before. So I showed it to her and the scene where Barry Boswick and Meatloaf are like the two, like guys,

Rocky
Cops, the

Rocky
Cops when they're talking with Sue Sylvester. I was like, do you know who they are? And she was like, am I supposed to? I was like, yes, yes, you are supposed to know who they are. Admittedly. Barry looks markedly younger in that meatloaf has looked the same since like the early two thousands. So like that one was an easy peg. But Barry, come on, look at him. We

might
have to revoke her Rocky Horror card. I'll

tell
her that after we're done, regardless of where you recognize Barry, you know, he has always said that he thought that Brad Majors was gonna be the character that he was recognized for forever. And he had stated that when it fans began stopping him on the street to call him an asshole, he said I had a feeling it was going to be the lead line in my obituary. And honestly, Barry, if it's not, I'm gonna be mad.

Yeah
. Uh That's a little dark but to, to get back, the interview was in part to help bring awareness to the national independent venue associations. Save our Stages Act. It's an act seeking long term assistance for performance venues that are shuttered during COVID, which is something that's literally important to every single person on this podcast and listening to this podcast because without performance venues, we don't perform. So if you'd like to learn more about what you can do to help visit savers stages dot com. Nice

and
a bit more of uh how the hell is this about Rocky News, Patty o'hagan is selling his house. Who? Yeah. Uh So this came up the other day, the Load Stone property website featured an article about a home being sold by Patty o'hagan.

And
for those of you who may not know which is gonna be basically everybody except Aaron Patty o'hagan was the original London cast person who portrayed Eddie and Doctor Scott. So now you're caught up to speed.

Yeah
, that's right. He was also a founding member of the Pip Simmons Theater Group. So that was a experimental theater group that did shows at the Royal Courts Theater upstairs. That's where Rocky would eventually premiere in London in 73. He

also
starred in an early seventies show called The Pipkins, which was meant to rival Sesame Street. It was like Sesame Street except really creepy in a low budget British kind of way.

Fun
fact, Patty is actually the reason that Eddie plays the saxophone at all. Oh, yeah. And in Jim Whittaker's book, Cosmic Light, he mentions that Patty o'hagan was given advice by his agent to take his saxophone along to his Rocky Horror edition just in case Jim Sharman was recruiting musicians and it turned out that he showed up with his sax, ended up jamming with Richard o'brien, talking about rock music and science fiction movies and they eventually incorporated the saxophone into the role that they gave him a couple other fun facts about Patty o'hagan in the original role in the stage show, the stage was so tiny, it was only nine ft front to back that for, for him to pop out of the coca-cola freezer as Eddie, he had to crawl on his hands and knees on the floor to haul himself into the freezer and up out of a hole cut in the top of the box. During the original production for the stage show, he was also doing Doctor Scott and when the line or should I call you, Doctor Von Scott was added, Jim Sherman added it in to flesh out Doctor Scott's character Patty, his arm in the customary fascist salute and cried out Ze Kyle, which was the callback that you all are familiar with. Not saying anymore,

right
? Yeah, I actually prefer Hail hydra there. I think it's just funnier and more topical because you know, there are real nazis that are still somehow a fucking thing.

Punch
Nazis.

Yeah
. The Nazi affiliation with Doctor Scott is actually supposed to be a surprise in the show, Richard o'brien was super disappointed that Jonathan Adams decided to do a German accent for Scott for the whole movie traditionally on stage, Doctor Scott still played with a non German accent. Usually American Patty

also
played Eddie and Scott in the 1975 show in Japan in Tokyo and Osaka. And that's amended Rocky as an international theatrical sensation. They're all treated like pop stars. So, Patty, in the article, he says that he'd get free drinks at restaurants and that sort of stuff, but don't forget it was very small. Then you could go out to supper at the casserole that was down the Kings Road at World's end and famous rock stars just walked in like Mick Jagger and David Bowie. It wasn't a huge crazy industry like it is now. So obviously the celebrity's treatment was a little different than it is now, but it's still really cool that he got to experience it, especially for Rocky Horror.

Hell
, yeah, Patty didn't take part in the initial US Broadway run of the show and was replaced by meat loaf in the movie. He seems to think that this was totally the right call in the article he states about meat loaf. He was much better than me. I have to say he's got a great rock and roll voice.

Yeah
. In the years since Rocky, him and his wife Judith, they've been married for 50 years, decided that they wanted to have kids. Patty retired from acting and he started working as a design and technology teacher. He taught in classrooms for a while before moving on to run the Department of Education's Arts qualifications accreditation process. About 10 years ago, he fully retired from work and moved to the house that he's now putting up for sale. Oh,

and
in case you were wondering the house is £1.4 million. If you were interested in purchasing a $2 million house in the UK or just seeing pictures. We've got a link to the article in our show notes. It's very fancy. So check it out if you want to see the other half lives.

So
next, how about we talk about something that we can all afford? I think that sounds a little bit better for all of you with an inter scene. Kid in your heart. Hot topic recently launched a line of ugly Rocky horror Christmas sweaters.

Oh
,

now
let me be clear. They are very, very ugly. Like honestly, I'll be realistic with all of you sometimes when I see ugly Christmas sweaters, I'm like, yo, those are actually really cute. But let me be explicitly clear when I say that these are legitimately ugly. They really, they really, really, really dig home. The idea of the ugly Christmas sweater. They have like red and green Franks on them with like little tap dancing Columbia all over them. What makes it even worse, I think for me is the fact that they aren't actually even sweaters. Oh yeah, they're like traditional, like ugly sweater print, but they're on things like crew necks, t-shirts, tank tops, hoodies, they're not like the actual, like, really thick wool ugly sweaters, you know, it's just like the typeface on

it
. Well, that's unfortunate. I, I would have been first in line if it was actually a knit sweater. I mean, these things are terrible. I mean, I, I guess that makes them perfect for people who want to wear them ironically.

Oh
, my God, they're so fucking pretty.

Ok
. They're an online exclusive. If you want to rock one for Christmas, go check them out at hot topic. I don't know, I, I appreciate right. That hot topic. No matter what decade it is, you can walk in there and you will always see some piece of Rocky Horror merchandise. I remember walking in there 20 years ago and seeing Rocky horror stuff. I remember walking in there, well, a year ago now and seeing Rocky Horror stuff. The only difference is I have to stare at a bunch of Rick and Morty crap. Now, speaking

of
cartoons, did you guys see that? There was a Rocky horror reference in Bless the hearts. I did, I did not. So for those of you who don't know, bless the hearts is an animated show on Fox. And they did an episode recently that featured Rocky Horror pretty heavily as a plot point. It's a show about a working class family living in North Carolina and it's very reminiscent of the king of the hill. It's blue collar parents with a very artsy kid who all love each other, but don't quite get each other. It's a larger commentary on the cultural differences and similarities between liberals and conservatives and between different generations.

So
, the show was created by Emily Spivey, who if you don't know her, she has worked on Saturday Night Live Parks and Rec Mad TV. And now she's working for Bless the Hearts, which is now currently in its second season, the three main characters in Bless The Hearts are voiced by pretty big names, Kristen Wiig Maya Rudolph and Jillian Bell. So you can tell that despite the explanation of the show, it is very much a liberals making fun of liberals kind of show.

In
this episode of the show, the teenage daughter, Violet Hart is flunking gym class because she hates it and refuses to participate whatsoever. Which same I failed gym twice. But I digress her gym teacher tells her that he'll pass her if she can pass the presidential fitness test. And Violet initially accuses her gym teacher of failing her because he's a po down homophobic meat head jock who's bullying the artsy gay kid. So her mom gets angry and goes to give the teacher a piece of her mind where she finds out the gym teacher is gay and that her daughter is actually failing because she isn't putting in the effort. So on their way home from school, Violet sees a marquee that says the Rocky horror picture show on it and she gets super excited and does a crazy gymnastic sprint over to the local theater and she's like jumping on cars and shit. And the mom learns about Rocky and her daughter's other artsy interests and uses them as a motivator to help her train for the test, which she ultimately passes. So at the end of the episode, the whole town turns up dressed in costume to attend Rocky. Horr and Violet decides that it's too mainstream and leaves. It was totally a jab at Rocky people and liberal theater kids in general, but it does have the overarching message of don't judge people based on what they look like, sound like or where they live just because someone is from a small town in the south doesn't mean they aren't just as excited to dress up and go to Rocky as you are. Yeah, it was

a
fun reference. It was short but it still was a pivotal part of the episode. I thought it was pretty fun to watch. It's not the first time that Rocky has been used in an animated series to discuss difficult situations though American dad, a show with a very similar format, conservative parents and artsy son. There was an episode in 2011, uh called Doctor Klaus where Steve pretends that his gay next door neighbors are his dads because he's embarrassed to introduce his new girlfriend to his conservative parents. His real parents find out when they see Steve, his girlfriend and the neighbors shadow casting Rocky in the neighbor's living room. So they all have to figure out how to find common ground together. And Rocky's kind of used as a catalyst for that.

Yeah
, Rocky was also referenced in King of the Hill, which is another show with a conservative dad, middle of the road mom and an artsy kid. The episode was called the Peggy Horror picture show. It aired in 2007 and the mom character Peggy meets and quickly becomes close friends with someone named Carolyn. She doesn't realize until later in the episode that her friend is a guy and Carolyn is his drag persona. So Peggy learns about the drag community and her new friendships with Carolyn and the other queen she meets, help her become more confident in herself and comfortable in her own skin.

And
while we're talking about cartoons that incorporate Rocky horror into it, y'all remember the boondocks, right? The show that was on adult swim. It was a show about a black family, grandfather, his two grandsons, they lived in like a white suburb. The show itself focuses like really heavily on racial and social class issues. But there was this episode called Pause. It aired in 2010 and the character granddad, you know, he's cast in a play that isn't like a Tyler Perry's Madea play, but it's like totally a Tyler Perry Mea play. You know the character who isn't Tyler Perry, but like totally is dresses up as Frank and performs a time Warp esque song called It's all right to cross dress for Christ. And there's like a lot that goes on in this episode. I'm sure you can find it somewhere online if you're interested. The show writers have a lot to say about like Tyler Perry and now he does business. But the overarching message of the episode is how much it sucks that being gay is often really difficult in the black community and how people should just be able to openly be who they are instead of having to jump through hoops to attempt to justify their sexuality.

I
mean, I feel like we find that common theme in all of these episodes. The main point is inclusivity and acceptance in each of these episodes. Characters are learning to be less judgmental of others and learning to be more confident in themselves. Yeah,

they
all focus on bridging the gap between different classes of people, whether it's generational racial, political, socioeconomic. It's a mix of all the above in some of these cases. It's really

cool
to see Rocky being used as a major Touchstone in the media as kind of like the embodiment of inclusivity. It's literally what we strive for within our community. And it's a really nice reminder that it's kind of how the outside world sees us too. And while we're on the topic of popular culture as a whole. There was a new Miley Cyrus Do Ali, a video called Prisoner. It's a new single. Miley is like the main artist. Dual Lipa is the featured artist and it dropped on November 19th. It's got this very late seventies, early eighties glam rock vibe.

Yeah
. It's, it's super reminiscent of Olivia Newton. John's physical and it's like main, the thing's clearly got an aesthetic. It's looking for, it's even shot in four by three, right? Like, so it looks like an old V H S recording of tour footage.

Oh
my God, it's so hot. It is

so
hot. Don't

get
me started.

So
the video opens up with disembodied lips that continue to make appearances throughout the whole song. Does that sound familiar everyone? So it seems like a very intentional homage to Rocky considering like, you know, the seventies eighties punk feel of the entire video. It just, it oozes that aesthetic and now we're just gonna do a quick little transition to our next segment community news where we're gonna be talking about another Rocky inspired music video that just dropped this week for all of you drag fans and you drag race fans. The new Katia and Trixie Mattel video, Ding Dong is another video that features big red disembodied lips throughout the entire song. It's got a very rocky like red black color scheme to it again. Oozing that Rocky Horror aesthetic. Yeah. The

video
also features Trixie Mattel who's a very known Rocky horror performer. She was first introduced to drag while playing Trixie with the Milwaukee cast, Sensual daydreams and she still continues to perform Rocky Numbers as part of her live show. There's a really cool video of her forming a whole medley of rocky numbers that will link in our show notes if you want to check it out.

Yeah
, just last month she had did a reaction video to an old youtube video. She had posted criticizing her own Frank makeup tutorial that she had put up 10 years ago and I'll

be
realistic. I love Trixie Mattel so much. She's like s tier drag queen if we talk about queens on drag race. But that Frank makeup was just ok. You know, she's a queen that is like known for her look and her, her makeup was just ok in that video, it's not horrible, but I wouldn't call it like over the moon Frank drag makeup, you know, but it was really, really, really funny watching her get horrified by how bad that she thought that she was. And obviously her makeup game is like a million times better now. I actually ended up meeting Trixie two years ago at New York City Drag Con. The New York City cast was asked by Mimi, I'm first who is another drag race contestant from season three because she was doing like a rocky horror themed booth and wanted other people to like stand with her. So at the beginning of Dragon, they have all the queens that are being represented at the convention, walk down the pink carpet and we were able to walk down with Mimi, I'm first. So Mimi was Frank and all of us were like Magenta Riff, Brad Janet, et cetera. And when we were backstage, getting ready to walk down Trixie actually came up to us right before she walked out onto the pink carpet and was like, I absolutely love this aesthetic. I love all of this. Your costumes are so accurate and every single one of us promptly shit our pants because we were all drag race fans and we were all Trixie fans and she just came up to us and was like, this is incredible. It reminds me so much of like when I was doing Rocky back in the day, I love it. Please keep doing it, Mimi, this is incredible and then just kind of went out and did her walk like it was nothing and we were like, amazing, love Trixie, love everything that she's done for the Rocky Horror community, love her, everything she's done with the drag community. Trixie Mattel. Please notice me.

It's
fun to see her still doing stuff like this, right? I mean, even if it's just, you know, being featured in another drag queens uh music video, but keeping the Rocky aesthetic going on, that's, that's what they're doing this year. It's 2020. You know, that's what they can do. Speaking of 2020 we got virtual shows coming up, the ordinary kids have their virtual show that's happening this weekend, November 27th at 10 PM Eastern, the 28th at eight pm and 11 PM Eastern and the 29th at two PM Eastern. We've talked about their show uh, before, in past episodes, it sounds really cool. They're doing a virtual performance with a whole bunch of different pre shows. If you're spending the holiday with your family this weekend and need a fucking break, you should go check out their shows. You need to go to the ordinary kids NJ dot com. That'll have all the info for how you can tune in. Oh uh One more thing that was just shared on Facebook. Literally, as we're recording this episode, R K O Army has just created a monthly mailing list where you can sign up to receive info about their upcoming shows and updates about the 2022 R K 04 convention. I know I'm excited if you'd like to join. It's really easy. Just text R K O E M to 66866. You'll be prompted to give them your email address and then you're all signed up. You'll get monthly R K O news sent directly to your email. If you sign up, you also get a coupon code for 20% off their Etsy store valid until November 29th. Their Etsy store is adorable. You can find all sorts of really cute buttons, pins, key rings, they have the new, did you know the castle is now a hotel merch up for sale. So if you want to get some early Black Friday shopping done, you should get the extra discount again. That's text R K O E M to 66866.

So
before we end this segment, we have a quick public service announcement, the Rocky Horror Picture Show and the Rocky horror remake, which is the Rocky Horror picture show. Let's do the time warp again. Both leave Hulu on December 8th. If this is how you're consuming the movie to practice for a role or to watch for entertainment, I guess if people do that, you've got until December 8th to either buy a copy or borrow from literally anyone, you know.

And
with that, I think we're going over to Nicky asks a question. Oh, hell yeah, Nikki, what do you got for us this week?

Ok
. So this needs some explaining. I chose my question and my question was I know of at least one Rocky horror porno one where they use real costumes. But I've been told there are more why? So before we get an explanation from Aaron, like we always do, we all took it upon ourselves to do a little bit of studying and we watched basically every Rocky horror porno we could find in the span of like three days. So without further ado Aaron, please explain to me in thorough detail the reasoning for these pornos. Oh my God.

Ok
. Why

do
you do this? I love pain. So

fortunately
for us, it's the future and pornography is available at the click of a button. Even Rocky horror porn. So there's a couple of films that folks are generally talking about when they mention a Rocky horror porno. There's the 1986 Rocky porno video show or the 2011 Rocky horror porno show. There's also the 2002 funky fetish horror show and a couple other minor spoofs. But those are the three that you're actually gonna run into.

Are
you somehow about to turn my question about porn into a history lesson?

No
, John's gonna do that.

You're
damn right. It's my turn bitches. So sit back and let me take you on a journey through Rocky and Corn and their intersectionality. First, we're gonna talk about the Rocky porno video show which is a 1986 parody film. Everything in it is horrible. It's so bad. There's like a bad sweetie parody song, Mistress Talla, who's a big porn star back in the day as the doctor Franken Furter, like equivalent character in the show. It was released by Raven Entertainment. It's bad. So with that being said, let's talk about the plot of it because you know what good is porn without a plot,

you
know, I mean, that's what I'm tuning in for.

I
only watch for the plot. Yeah, I

also
only watch for the plot. So in this version of our classic Rocky horror tale, Brad and Janet are portrayed by Tommy and Tammy. They are a newlywed couple who are on their way to their honeymoon when they run out of gas. So they spot a house up on the road,

a
castle. Yeah.

No
, castle. This house is not a castle. They walk up to the house. So when they go up, they are greeted by their Riff Raff character who in this is named preface,

this
guy is wearing like a horrible founding father's wig and like, what's up with his skin? Is he doing like orange, black face or is that like a spray tan?

I
mean, let's really unpack this for a sec Preuss was a fertility god from Greek mythology. He's a protector of livestock gardens, fruit plants and male genitalia. And he's usually depicted with an oversized permanent erection. So, I mean, do with that what you will.

I
am also usually depicted with an oversized permanent erection. He's a

giant
dick. So

is
um boo boo of your mother's panty line or whatever, all that. Uh But at this point in the porno, we get the only song parody on top of the opening credits.

Yeah
, this is um titled Come on in. Uh it's sung by Linda Thomas. I don't know who she is but the whole thing is just a porn montage of clips from the rest of the movie. So you could stop right there. Have a good idea of what's coming or you could do what we did and keep watching.

Tommy
and Tammy decide to stay the night and they are shown to their room after being reminded that breakfast is the next morning. Let me just get off topic for one second. You know, something is wrong when the eighties porn has a better grasp on the timeline than the cult classic film. Yeah. But anyway, in their room, they get a if I do say so myself,

yeah
, we found out earlier in the car that Tommy and Tammy hadn't boned before, but apparently Tammy's like all down now that she's in a strange house full of people or

maybe
she just wants to bone on her wedding night. Yeah. But can we talk about those tan lines on Janet? You're a porn star. You literally have one job

or
like the ugly ass bedspread like teal aqua white? I actually had to have my partner tell me what those colors are because I'm really bad with colors. But it's like watching people fuck in your grandmother's guest bedroom. Oh my

God
. So it turns out the whole time, Tommy and Tammy were being watched by Mistress Tanta and Riff the character. Uh we finally get some plot. So Tanta explains about Brad and Janet or Tommy and Tammy. They will make good specimens these earth lanes. So she orders Riff to increase the level of sexual ions in the atmosphere which I have on good authority is not an actual scientific thing. Um But you know, there's a lot we don't know about the universe

and
when he promptly does increase the level of sexual ions in the atmosphere, he turns it up past sex to dare we say hypersex and they also named Drop where they're from, which is, of course, as any good Rocky horror parody is gonna say they are from the planet Sex Lovan in another galaxy where

they
apparently have those electricity balls that you can buy from Spencer's gifts and they sure fucking use them a lot. After a bit more of Brett and Janet Tan Tila finally makes her grand entrance and even though we just saw her before it's fine, we've got to do a big frank reveal

and
she does it not with an elevator, but by slowly walking down a flight of stairs

and
the next morning at breakfast we're introduced to the whole rest of the fucked up family.

This
is a lot, there's Pandora who is just Cindy Lauper, Magenta uh Venus, which is Colombia allegedly, maybe who knows. Then there's Oedipus and arrows which are just like two punk rocker dudes. I mean, who wouldn't want two punk rocker dudes at breakfast. And we learned that their job is to recruit humans to take back to sexy So,

yeah
, Brad and Janet, Tommy and Tammy come in on this whole fucked up breakfast scene and Brad is immediately like, oh, I wanna stay. I, I, they're punk rockers. I've never hung around with a band before Janet wants to leave, but Brad puts his foot down and they decide to stay.

So
now Brad and Janet are honeymooning at this like fucking airbnb that they've discovered. Janet starts suntanning for some reason. Arrows and Oedipus materialize wearing aviator glasses for some reason and jeans and they're all telepathically communicating like they've been sent by Tanti to check on Janet's quality of a person. E

Yeah
. Yeah. So meanwhile, Tanta is watching Janet, she tells Riff to go have mags in Columbia, fuck Brad.

They
go to seduce Brad who they catch fucking a hot tub jet. Uh With these winners, Venus has a fly trap and Pandora has a box. No, I don't get it. I don't get anything about it.

So
then it just kind of cuts back and forth between Janet and the two guys, Brad and the two girls and the Tan and Ray for about like 30 straight minutes just so you don't have to go and watch this. Here are some selected highlights,

Tanti
ques out a candle that is now something I've said on record.

Oh
, don't worry because EDI and Arrows have this whole telepathic conversation to let each other know that they must ejaculate on the Earth lane,

which
is a shame that nobody told Janet because she's just sitting there looking surprised

and
they just, they just stand there talking to each other telepathically. Well, Janet's just there and we find out that Janet of course, sucks like a sex Slovenian swamp sucker. Hold

on
. Hold on. This implies the existence of a thing called a Sylvania swamp sucker.

But
also is that a compliment or an insult? They don't

even
get into the lore of sex Slovenia and the fauna that exist there. But apparently there is a sex slovenian swamp sucker that is known for sucking very well. And Janet clearly is on par with it. Is it,

is
it like a hermit? Right? Or is it like an animal type? I hope it's like a like a hermit? Like these are, there's just these swamp suckers that are in the swamp and they're like, they're these hermit ladies who suck really well and not like a rejected dragon looking thing.

Yeah
, I, I really, I liken it more to like a Bigfoot yeti kind of thing rather than like, you know, like a I, I think it takes more of like a humanoid crypt version if I really had to think about it myself.

Are
you really unpacking the lore of sexy right now? Is this really a thing that's happening? Yeah. So

everyone
gets done boning and Brad and Janet, Tommy and Tammy, they meet up again. Tammy wants to leave. Tommy wants to stay. Tammy gets really huffy tells Tommy that it's none of his business who she sleeps with tonight.

Now
, we get some really awkward bedroom scenes between Tanta and Brad and Tanta and Janet just kind of vanilla, whatever. And afterwards she tells them to prepare for the great ritual and then magically puts them to sleep.

Spoiler
. The ritual is an orgy.

It's
an orgy. All right. And Tanta reveals that she wants to transport Tommy and Tammy to beyond the galaxy to the swamps of Sex Lavan and she baptizes them in the name of seduction, obsession and temptation. And then the big old orgy begins, but part way through, Riff turns the aisle level down to no sex.

Ho
hold on, hold on. We've established that there's swamps. Oh my God. Ok. So we know that it's a swamp barren planet Sylvania that

has
so anyway, somehow this causes like a rocky like body builder to appear, but he just goes in to join on the orgy where everyone is in black Corsets. There's not much else to say about it. Brad and Janet Tommy and Tammy get super awkward in the middle of this orgy because the sex ions have been removed from the atmosphere. So they just kind of crawl away

superhero
style and that's it. That's the whole thing. Bad. 1986 porn

is
an understatement. Yeah. I

mean
, the first time that I heard about this thing was from the Rocky Horror Purity Test. I found a copy online. Like, right when I joined my first cast and I took it, I saw that there was a Rocky porno question on there and I had no idea what it was. I asked my cast director if they'd heard of it and the people that were on my cast mates and my director was like, oh, yeah. No, I, I'll bring a copy to watch at the next cast party and of course, of course she did, it had the real V H S copy with the cover. The cover on this thing is actually kind of cool. It's got dripping letters on it and all this kind of stuff.

What's
the purity test?

Oh
, ok. Yeah. No, there's a version of it up on Rocky music dot org. Um I'll just send it around here real quick.

Some
of these are really straightforward. Gone to Rocky Drunk. Seen the movie more than 1000 times had sex with more than one cast member at once.

Yeah
. And some are just outright weird. Like, have you performed while pregnant or injured? You know, because they're the same thing I guess. Have you ever been rudely insulted because of your Rocky attire? Do you own any Tim curry albums? Have you ever deep throated a ketchup bottle at Denny's like, Nicky and I will take the test. We'll get scored while you Aaron, explain to the people exactly what this thing is.

Sure
. So a lot of this information is well documented by Sean mccur. He runs Rocky music dot org. The purity test was originally created sometime in the mid to late early nineties. So around 92 by a guy named Rob Rombauer and Janelle Adair, he ran a bulletin board local to Atlanta, Georgia all the way up through late 1997 when it closed down, it suffered the same fate as most pre internet digital communities. Sean from Rocky Music preserved the Purity Test through 1995. He updated earlier references that were to watch a full house to change them over to Denny's and he frequently posted it and amended it. The changes over time are well documented up on the use net archive and the version that he presented on Rocky Music has pretty much remained unchanged for the last 15 years. Funny story. The way that I know that it remained unchanged is because I remember when I first printed out a copy of this test so that I could fill it out with the other people that I had just, you know, joined cast with and I, I was doing the research for this show and I realized that I probably still had the printout sitting somewhere. So I went over to my shelf. It's got a bunch of my Rocky crap on it, pulled down the binder of loose paper and flipped through it for a while until I finally found it. Yes. Indeed. Here was the Rocky Horror Purity Test since I printed it out. It has at the top and the bottom, the date that it was printed, right? You know how printers used to do that? I went and I looked at it turns out I printed it on November 22nd, 2004. So 16 years ago today I was talking about the same damn thing. That's

so
weird. I was four.

Funny
how history repeats itself. All right, y'all let's go over these scores. So um I got 107. No

way
. I got a higher score than you.

Well
, that's because you're a slight.

Hey
, hey, guys, shut the fuck up. I 100 and 67. OK. Yeah, because Aaron's

a
slight.

No
, it's because I've spent way too much money on some of the stuff that it has on here. Our producer, Meg, the New York City director, my wife, three points on the test. Uh She did this too. She scored a 1 34. So

I'm
the baby out of all three of you with

this
. Well, to be fair, I got a 1 26 but like there's like an entire segment dedicated to like dating cast members and hooking up with cast members and I, I don't want to talk anymore on the subject. So

what
I'm saying is that I was right. Shut the fuck up. So the first version of the Rocky Horror Purity Test was made in 1992 which is the year that I was born. So, it's 28 years old. And last week we had discussed what was going on in the early nineties with the V H S release. So, if you'll recall, laser disk was like one of the few things to see superheroes. And once in a while, you know, it was a big collector's item. So, the same reason it asks about bootlegs and imports, you know, it was early nineties. Those were all the purest ways at that moment to see the movie. Yeah, and

just
like the version that I had sitting on my shelf, like this thing hasn't been updated, at least for anything that's happened in the 21st century. So if you've got an updated version out there, let us know, send it over. We'd love to cover it on an upcoming episode. Retake the test. See if uh John can get that score up.

At
least I got to check the box for seeing the porno. It's a shame we didn't watch it on Zoom though. I could have got extra points.

This
was bad. I've watched the 86 porno a few times. It just, it doesn't hold like it's funny. It's campy but it, it's not good. It's not good as porn and it's not good as parody.

Yeah
. Agreed. I'm not a fan. One of the other ones that we're gonna talk about later. I am much more a fan of this one. If I had to rate the three that we're going to talk about. This one's probably my least

favorite
. I think this is better than the one that we're gonna talk about next, but not by much.

I
mean, do you want to just get into it now and get it over with?

Yeah
. So the second one that we've got on the list here is the funky fetish horror show. So this is probably the least rocky of the three of these, but it's worth going through because the plot is at least vaguely Rocky related. I, I don't know. Let's get into this.

Yeah
. So the plot of this one, the funky fetish horror show is pretty much what you would expect, but it's so, so, so bad. It's honestly kind of hard to keep track of the uh quote unquote plot of this one. So Brad and Janet's car breaks down, they go to a castle in the rain this time. It's an actual castle, not like a fucking Airbnb and Frank who is a time traveling transvestite in this one causes them to change into B DS M fetish outfits and makeup. They have lots of sex. They're all wearing very glittery fetish wear. There's a lot of industrial looking sets, there's no music which is very uncomfortable. Frank tells them that they are now his ambassadors to Earth and then they wake up in the car. Was it all a dream. Was it? Not a dream? Well, no, Frank has left a crystal from the castle behind Brad and Janet smile at each other and then the credits roll and that's it kind of.

So
you would think based on that description, right? That this is, oh, ok. So this is a fun short, little updated spoof. No, it is not. This thing is an hour in 46 fucking minutes long. I I literally think that they used every single second of footage that they filmed and they just strung it all together. It is so bad. Let me tell you the intro for this thing are these like nasty looking red lips they're wearing like it's got to be like glow in the dark lipstick or something and they just, they're not even singing, they're just mouthing some A S M R style like dirty talk for way, way, way, way, way, way, way too long. And that's it. That's the only like Rocky related song air quotes. It's, it's like spoken word nonsense. You know, there's a couple of things that are OK versus the original porno, right? They have a castle. There's an enter at your own risk sign. The characters are actually named Brad Janet and Frank. That's cool. Frank's actually a dude wearing stockings and heels, admittedly, he's like this small ninja looking Eastern European dude. But sure there's, there's one dialogue choice in, in it that makes you feel like it's Rocky at one point, Frank does say don't dream, it feel it.

Is
it about his

dick
? There's also a throne uh at the end of the movie. Um, but it doesn't look like the Rocky Throne. It's, in fact, I'm pretty sure it's just a chair. I think I just wrote down that he sits in a chair.

I
mean, let's get into the minuses though. If we're going to talk about pros and cons, this one didn't have a funny theme song. So like, what's the point? I mean, that's all it really needed. And it really lacked the bad camp feel of the 1986 porno. There was no truly outrageous dialogue. It was missing blowing out candles. Mistress Tanta or hyper sex. And there was a boring black light sex sequence that seemed to last forever.

Yeah
, I think the entire budget for this movie went to hot topic, Leg Avenue, Home Depot and Pet Smart because like this thing is just neon. Like the whole thing is a lot of fetish stuff. It's a lot of like leather shoe fetish. Like there's puppy play. It's definitely more into the kink side of things. Um But I don't think the director knew that. I think that he thought he was shooting some kind of cinematic masterpiece because there's just long slow dolly tracking shots. But he put the thing together and he forgot to put music on the whole thing, like 90% of the thing just doesn't have music even if the porn was good, which it's not, it's pretty much unwatchable without the music. I literally had to turn music on, on my ipod while I was watching this so that I didn't get bored. It's that bad. Like this, this one fails the basic requirement of being watchable pornography. I gotta give this one a pass. I, I think it's the worst of the three. If you're gonna sit down and try and get people to watch Rocky porn with you to have a laugh, this is not it. You are gonna cry and probably just have an awkward conversation about why you watched disgusting porn for an hour and 45 minutes

right
now. If there is a porn that everybody wants to actually sit down and watch that is Rocky related, I'm gonna recommend this one. I feel like this one kind of takes the cake, the Rocky horror porno show, which was released in 2011. It was released by Wicked Pictures. It was written and directed by Brad Armstrong and it was released as like a two DVD set. The second DVD is like special features. It's around 2030 bucks these days. You can still actually get the DVD of this one or you can just find it at most friendly neighborhood porn websites. But of course, if you're doing that, then you're missing the special

features
. The website describes it as and I quote Rocky fans prepare for the second best movie watching experience of your life. Wicked Pictures. And award winning director Brad Armstrong would like to make a toast. May we introduce Rocky, a porn parody? Like no other that pays homage to the hilariously naughty cult classic. Don't dream it. See it, we guarantee complete satisfaction.

Get
it. Oh, ok. Well, um, there's a part in Sweet T where he says, is this a patient? They, they, yeah, they're playing on it there. Yeah. See, it's funny because now I've explained it to you

and
just to be clear for legal reasons, we have to clarify. Rocky is spelled with an I here and horror is W H O R E. So it's the Rocky spelled with an I or porno show.

Yes
. So they've produced four original parody musical numbers in this and some of the dialogue has nods to like the original Rocky Horror fan base and it even has Ron Jeremy in it. If I had to give my professional opinion on Ron Jeremy in it, he definitely

showed
up. I think that that's about the only thing you can say about his performance in this. There's a special feature that shows literally falling asleep in the wheelchair that he's sitting in playing doctor Scott in the middle of a porn scene. This one's actually hilarious. They clearly care about doing fan service. It has uh we'll, we'll talk about it here in a, in a bit, this, the community kind of centered around this one when it was in production and stuff. But if there's a porn to show people, it's this one. So let's give a brief plot breakdown. Although if you're familiar with Rocky, you're roughly familiar with the plot here. They actually try and keep it pretty close. Yeah.

So
Brad and Janet's car breaks down at the beginning. They fuck in the car as you do. That happens. Yeah. As you do as they clearly did in the movie, of course, uh they see a motorcycle, they walk to a castle which is now a hotel with the newspapers over their head. Riff and Magenta greet them. They assume that Brad and Janet are from like an agency for a porn shoot. There's a sweet tea with Frank who is the director. Nice Throne. It's pretty. They also play like ragtime porn music throughout it and I'm not gonna sit here and specify which is the best type of porn music. But ragtime porn music is better than no music. In my opinion, I'm looking at you funky fetish, the criminologist who we'll talk about in a second. Uh He introduces the lab scene. It's like a full blown multi tier lab set. It has statues, speakers like all the shadow casting props that you would expect.

Yeah
. Once they're in the lab, they introduce Rocky. Uh she is a big breasted blonde Swedish Bimbo and Frank sings her the hit song in just seven days. I can make you a porn star. Uh Yes. Don't you all remember that one? Frank offers Brad and Janet a room. Janet tells Brad there's no way she's sleeping in the car. So they agree to Frank's proposition. Uh Magenta manages to somehow have a worse accent than the remake. Magenta Brad and Janet go to bed. Columbia goes to bed and Freddie shows up. That's Freddie with an f definitely different than Eddie Freddie. He shows up, he climbs up the outside of the castle poorly and through Colombia's window. Fun fact, Columbia gives Freddie her gum so that he can chew it while she uh well, chews on him and that all happens to a wonderful stock music version of Shake Rattle and Roll. Freddie and Columbia go at it for a while, but he stops and tells her that he really wants her to stop doing porn. She responds she can't, she loves it too much. So he a song about how much he loves banging her and how he's gonna murder Frank. One of the lines in this I kid you not, I'll rip off your head skull. Fuck you till you're

dead
. Wait is he s wait ripping off

Columbia
. He wants to rip off Frank's head

and
then skull. Fuck Frank's head until Columbia

is
dead. No, no, until Frank is dead. You see it has to rhyme. So he's saying to Frank, I rip off your head skull. Fuck you. Tell your dad

Right
. So he is insisting that he's gonna rip off Frank's head and Frank is still gonna be alive afterwards. Right now. People get

beheaded
, they're still alive for like three minutes

valid
citation needed. Ok. So Frank interrupts this wonderful conversation that Freddie and Columbia are having and does what you think he kills Freddie chops off his head. Uh absolute worst prop head you've ever seen, but probably one of the most screen accurate pick axes you'll ever see. So it's got that going for

him
. So obviously Colombia is super sad but Magenta comes into console her and they're matching clit piercings. Uh And then we go to Janet's bedroom scene which has more accurate color than the Blu Ray. Might I add just saying, but it's full of bad one liners and there's the sins of the flesh reference. They say Satu say it faction. Uh And then Brad's bedroom scene has Mona and Lisa and they do Brad's floor show makeup before they fuck him to the stock music of the Austin Powers theme. Hold

on
. Who the hell is Mona and Lisa.

I
think they're just these two characters that they wrote in so that Brad didn't have to be gay. Oh

Right
. Wouldn't want Brad to be gay in Rocky Horror. That would be a problem.

Frank
catches them and makes them leave and then does nothing with Brad because you know, like we said before, can't be gay, which is totally a letdown like I feel like that would have added a lot to the plot. But anyway, Riff then calls Frank to tell him that Rocky escaped and T P. Scott is at the door. That's Ron Jeremy.

All
right. That brings us to dinner where toast is thrown. So that's appreciated. It's revealed that Scott is writing a story about pornography and Frank is super suspicious because he thinks that Scott's trying to shut porno down like one man could do that. Ron Jeremy just manages to look confused the whole time. Nothing happens. It's honestly just as boring of a dinner scene as dinner scene is in the real movie, Riff and Magenta have elbow sex and then they have sex sex. We cut back to Crim, he's covered in toilet paper at this point and then Frank chases away Riff because he's not allowed to fuck Magenta. So now we've got Magenta in Colombia teasing Janet about starring in a porno. Janet's not sure if she wants to. So she decides to do the obvious reasonable course of action and go talk to Rocky about if she should do pornography. So Rocky and probably the most coherent thing that she says in the entire film says honestly, I want to direct but I want people to notice me and like me. So I should stay an actress deep to which Janet replies. I like you and Rocky immediately looks her deep in the eyes and says you want to feel my boob job. So that brings us to touch or as it's in this version, fuck a fuck up. This is exactly what you'd expect. Not very much lyrical work put in here, but uh the scene's cool. It's got a nice ple horse, a transducer, a weight rack. You're probably gonna want to change the paint on all of those after

this
. To nobody's surprise, Janet and Rocky fuck during this scene. who saw that one coming strap on included? You know, so Frank catches Riff, they all catch Janet and Rocky. They do the roll call, Brad. Janet Rocky, et cetera, et cetera. Frank convinces Brad to let Janet do porn because of the money. Janet and Rocky keep fucking Ron Jeremy watches for some reason. And uh Frank decides that Frank likes Janet's scene but the older cast members are now jealous about Frank bringing on new cast members and then they mutiny. They threaten Frank with a German Luger. Riff says Frank is a bad director and is taking over. So this is takeover as you would. But instead they just kind of drop that and then they do the time warp orgy. Let's have an orgy again

and
that's it. That's the whole thing. I mean, it goes pretty much from start to finish roughly following the plot line of Rocky. Everything's there that you kind of like if you thought to yourself, I'm gonna watch a Rocky horror porno. This is the one. It's all there. The costumes are there, the props are there, the sets are there, the lines are there, the homages are there? Lots of people in the community were consulted when they were making this thing? Uh The local cast to L A Sins of the flesh and in particular Rocky Horror legend Liz Stockton lent out a bunch of their costumes and set pieces to Wicked the production company. And honestly, it shows you watch this thing and you're like, oh wow. Some of those costumes and props are more screen accurate than what my local theater has.

There's
a whole special feature where they're like unpacking the costumes they received and going through trying them on. It's oddly familiar to backstage at a Rocky show, but the tits are just a lot faker. There's another feature that shows them at the 35th anniversary convention. What was that?

Yes
. So the 35th anniversary convention was in L A in 2010. This movie came out in 2011. Uh Sins of the flesh hosted that con the production company was actually an official sponsor for all three days of the convention. In addition to sponsoring and having a booth and a set up at the convention, they held talent searches looking for extras to perform in the film. From the Rocky Hora con attendees. They were offering a chance for one contestant to appear in that orgy. That's at the end part of the whole time warp thing.

And
Rocky horror legend Bernie Bregman, who is the organizer of Sins Khan is quoted in the official press release put out by Wicked Pictures. The Sins Khan team is extremely excited about our partnership with Wicked Pictures. We feel their cutting edge attitude and attention to detail are representative of many important aspects of the Rocky Horror philosophy and they will definitely bring an added Hollywood atmosphere and sex appeal to what will already be a great weekend of exciting events. He later goes on to say that it's great that an adult film company finally decided to do an up to date parody of this cult classic that everyone's seen and loved. We can't wait to see it. Looking forward to this weekend's festivities. He concludes Rocky horror and wicked pictures. That's almost too much sexy if there is such a thing.

Ok
, Bernie. Uh this is probably the most true to Rocky adaptation out there, right? I've said it a few times. There was a lot of drama though when it came out. Rumor has it that Richard o'brien was so mad that they were planning to show the porno admittedly without the porn at the 40 7-Eleven convention in Atlantic City the next year in 2011, he threatened to pull the rights to show Rocky at the con unless they cut the porno from the schedule. Now, that's just a rumor. I read it online. Uh I've heard it from other sources. As well. But I mean, obviously, Richard was not happy. He's always said that he's in, he doesn't like the porn adaptations in any way, shape or form. He has publicly said that he thinks they borrowed or stole his intellectual property mostly because they were mimicking the songs

regardless
of Richard's feelings for this. That didn't stop it from getting released. It was critically acclaimed within the adult film community in 2012, it cleaned up at the Avian Award show and for those of you who may not know Avian is the largest adult film award show. It's been held since 84. It's kind of considered like the porn Oscars. So in 2012, the Rocky horror parody won, it won best parody comedy, best director of a parody, best non sex performer for the criminologist. We'll talk about him in a second, uh best screenplay for parody, best editing, best makeup, best DVD extras, best art direction. It was basically the Hamilton of porn during that year.

I
mean, the only one of the I, I, I, I can't say that I've watched all the other contenders in 2012. My pornography history isn't quite that good, but I gotta say the DVD extras on this thing are actually really funny to watch. They're almost as entertaining as the movie is itself. So they definitely earned that one. So this came out in 2011. They cleaned up at the award show in 2012. But we haven't really heard much about it since, right. It's been out there, it just kind of gets brought up every time somebody goes, hey, you know, there's a rocky porno. Uh So we want to do a little bit of research and find out where are all these, these players now, like an updated vh1 style. Where are they now?

So
Brad Armstrong, he played Freddie and he was the director and the writer. he has acted in 299 videos since 1989. He majored in commercial art and advertising and he has been a director with Wicked Pictures since 1996. And his I M DB bio wins for most likely, I wrote this myself award. It says that he is a uniquely gifted visual stylist with a complete mastery of his storytelling skills. Brad Armstrong shines among his contemporaries and his ability to combine photographic elegance with the smoldering sensuality and dynamic narratives.

I
wish somebody would say all that about me. Damn. Just

keep
in mind this is the guy who has directed 178 pornos since 1995 including winners like Men Black, a hardcore parody or Magic Mike X X XL, a hardcore parody, which in my opinion seems unnecessary because like, isn't Magic Mike, you know. So next

up
, so next up is Mac Turner who plays the character Frank and Beans, not to be confused with Frank and Furter. Of course, so Mac Turner was thrust onto the scene in the early two thousands with such ja like pop my ass, the babysitter 20 mil figures, 367 and 10, his cock is a monster and swinging in the USA. How can we forget swinging in the USA? He also portrayed Santa Claus in 2000 and ten's ho ho ho. I get

it
. I get it.

Yeah
. See, it's funny but since doing Rocky Horror, he played Scarecrow in Not The Wizard of Oz X X X. Greatest name ever he sang did in that one. Like friend of mine. I fucked the witch and my favorite. I wonder what is happening? And he also performed in a, an adult film called Wet Food Three.

Moving
on.

Yeah
, we're not gonna talk about that

one
. That's a pass. All right. So Randy Spears, this is a guy who played stiff staff for those of you. Uh

Get
me every time.

Yeah
. So this guy apparently is like an adult film legend. His best known pornos are like the sex trek movies. He played the lead role, Captain Quirk spoofing. Captain Kirk. In those, they were a bunch of them that ran through the eighties and early nineties direct a video. He married his second wife and manager Gina Rodriguez in 2006. And together they and her kids appeared in the reality show, Mommy Triple X. This was the 13 episode series that aired on Crackle and Hulu uh he left porn in 2011 since then. He did some voice acting work. He was the voice of Mind Quad on American Dad. More recently though, in 2018, he was part of the Stormy Daniels story. Oh, shit. Yeah. So him and his, at this point now ex-wife Gina, uh, tried to help Stormy sell her stories. He was mentioned in the book that came out about the whole Stormy Daniels scandal. Things haven't been going quite so well though in 2020 a fan spotted him working in a grocery store behind the seafood counter and the press picked that story up kind of kicking the man when he's down. Although it sounds like he's doing what he wants to do. He became an or minister. He performs weddings and councils, couples who are having relationship issues and he speaks at universities and churches uh about such topics as the dangers of pornography and our youth and how religion saved his life. So, a bit of a redemption arc there for our good friend, stiff staff.

Let's
move on to Jessica Drake. She played Janet. She got married to Brad Armstrong, which is the guy that played Freddie and he was also the writer and director. She was born in Texas in 1974 and she was a dancer in an El Paso strip club that featured porn stars and would watch them and thought she could do better. She has starred in 248 adult films since 19 99. And in 2000, she was nominated for best new starlet at the A V N awards. In addition to hard core, she appeared in quite a few soft core films made for cable TV, and has made guest appearances on several TV series. She's the director of Jessica Drake's Guide To Wicked Sex, which is a 14 part series. Uh and there's, there, there's a big range here. There's B DS M for beginners satisfy her like a legend, woman to woman. And then there's also anal play for men and then a separate video that's just anal. There's a, there's a lot, there's a lot to unpack there. I don't want to get into it. I really don't. So

it
turns out the guy who played Crim, his name is James Bartle is in like every single porn spoof that you could possibly imagine. And he's generally in it in like a non sexual role. So he's been in porn parodies of Bewitched, the Partridge family three's company. Airplane saw Charlie's Angel Men in black grease, Deadpool, Captain Marvel. He has spanned like a generation of pop culture porn parodies and has been in all of them, basically, just kind of like a guy who is there. You know, he was born in 1959 and he's actually the host of inside the industry with James Bartle, which actually airs weekly on Sirius X M and L A talk radio and it's also available as a podcast. James Bartle also hosts a V N live and is the owner of Galaxy Publicity and Management, which is APR company for adult actors. So he's really doing the work in the adult community, which is just awesome.

Those
are where they're at now. Uh, so 10 years ago they were shooting porn and now they're, well, some of them are still shooting porn. Some of them are talking about Jesus and some of them are doing podcasts. So I guess we can agree that everybody failed. All right.

At
least now when you watch one of them with your cast, you can be the one. Everyone asks, how the hell do you know that? And I hope that you'll tell them about

us
. And thankfully that is all we are talking about this week. So before we go, we want to thank everyone who took the time to rate and review our show on itunes, on Spotify, on soundcloud and everyone who watched us on you youtube. We love all of you. We really appreciate all of your

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, we're wishing all our listeners a happy and safe holiday this weekend, please do everything you can to keep yourself safe so we can keep getting weird together every weekend. We'll see you guys next Thursday. Bye. See ya. What? Peace.

Um
, we were here at the funky fetish horror show. Can someone else say the title? I don't like those words.